My wild Border Collie “Buzz” performs his favourite demo showing how many ‘driven’ dogs are created through bad dog training habits. Buzzy is the subject of my book “Shaping Success” (Dog Writers of America Choice for Dog Training Book of the Year in 2005).
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Tags: agility, bad, border, Buzz, collie, Dog, drive, Garrett, Motivation, release, Say, Shaping, Success, Susan, trainer, tug, Yes
@max2right Please …
@max2right Please note in the title the quotations marks around the word “being”. That implies while you are building more drive you try to “be” a bad dog trainer. will not address your other obvious slur against my credentials.
@klevadawgz while I …
@klevadawgz while I respect your right to have your opinion, I use this very technique for building drive in flyball dogs. And what I think you miss is that we only play like this with one object. The TUG! My dogs know what a TUG is and what is NOT a TUG. They are not idiots, they know when we are playing, and when we are not playing. I have 9 dogs who all live in the house uncrated together (I have some very high drive dogs when it comes to play), yet I have no issues like you suggest
…and reinforce …
Having recently taken my puppy to “puppy classes” (which were great) the amount of times the others ignored the trainer saying “dont say no no no” is crazy!
…and reinforce the set of instinctual behaviours that you want displayed? I wouldnt include this in my training as I do not want my dogs reinforced for displaying this type of behaviour, it goes directly against my cues to keep them on the ground near people with wavy things in the air (so they dont snatch stuff and knock kids over)
I’ve always …
I’ve always understood “Drive” is how likely a dog is to show instinctual behaviours – this video seems to illustrate that if you raise your voice and dance about you incite your dog to ‘shout’ back again and because the jumping/barking is reinforced by attention from you and a moving toy its likely this will generalise eventually to all toys and is an accident waiting to happen if you have young kids about? Surely what you should do to increase drive is increase the dogs confidence …
@ClickerDogs First …
@ClickerDogs First you say it’s what bad dog trainers do and demonstrait it. Then you call it great, effective then brag about teaching it and about your credintials. What’s the point here? Many understand and use behavieral science as well as you.
@max2right No I am …
@max2right No I am not saying this is THE way but it is A way drive is built into dogs. This is why many dogs hold their ball/toy tighter rather than spit it out when their owner hollers at them or tries to pry their jaws open. Reinforcement does build behaviour and if it wasn’t reinforcing to hang on –the dog wouldn’t do it. A high dog like “Buzz” wouldn’t need this but if you wanted to increase a dog’s drive to “hold” — yes, play fighting the dog for the toy is an effective way of doing it.
@max2right No I am …
@max2right No I am not saying this is THE way but it is A way drive is built into dogs. This is why many dogs hold their ball/toy tighter rather than spit it out when their owner hollers at them or tries to pry their jaws open. Reinforcement does build behaviour and if it wasn’t reinforcing to hang on –the dog wouldn’t do it. Buzzy here is doing a demo, one of his favorites. He is a “high” dog and I would never do something like this as a way of training because yes, it would make him “higher”
@ClickerDogs Are …
@ClickerDogs Are you saying that your actions starting about at 1:20 is the way to build drive?
Such a shame some …
Such a shame some people – and dog trainers – just don’t get what this video is all about.
Susan you rock !
@max2right are you …
@max2right are you kidding me? This is a GREAT way to build drive and I have had success teaching thousands of people world wide to increase their dog’s focus and drive using this as well as many other positive, science based games of drive. World renown trainers in all disciplines of dog training have sought out my help.
Dogs, dolphins, monkeys, man — all learn the same way. It is science, not history or tradition that advances the way dogs are trained. It is outside the box thinking!
are you kidding me? …
are you kidding me? This is a GREAT way to build drive and I have had success teaching thousands of people world wide to increase their dog’s focus and drive using this as well as many other positive, science based games of drive. World renown trainers in all disciplines of dog training have sought out my help.
Dogs, dolphins, monkeys, man — all learn the same way. It is science, not history or tradition that advances the way dogs are trained. It is outside the box thinking!
Golly, I didn’t …
Golly, I didn’t think she was implying that tons of professional dog trainers (and who said anything about Schutzhund??) are out there doing this. From my years of reading/observing Susan, she uses “trainer” to mean anyone handling or interacting with a dog (as is the case for all of us who have dogs). You have a dog, you interact with it, you’re a trainer. We’ve all seen someone do this, sometime. We all seem to agree this behavior is “bad” training… why the fuss?
MINE MINE MINE ok. …
MINE MINE MINE ok. Guys , stop dissing her. She’s a world famous dog trainer, and she makes a great point. And YES the MINE MINE MINE part does happen. My sister’s dog was taken to a place like that. One day she invited me to a lesson and by then end of it I made them drop out aid trained the dog myself.
@max2right : …
@max2right : Understood. But the point is really more subtle, calm dogs don’t seem keen & hyper, because of consistency & building steadiness; the hyper dogs raring to go at all times look very keen but are wasting energy due to inconsistent handling. They look “more” driven superficially.
So I agree with you to, but “”Buzz” performs his favourite demo showing how many ‘driven’ dogs are created through bad dog training habits.” note the quotes around ‘driven’ !
@RobBCactive My …
@RobBCactive My point is that, contrary to what this woman says, bad dog training does not build drive and I’ve never seen anyone use the method she demonstrated to do so. I believe It’s intellectual dishonesty. I agree with the rest o your comment,
@max2right : I …
@max2right : I found it very true to what I see out on dog walks. Your point is like those who argue that “noone trains a dog to jump up”, when I explain that’s what is happening. Training can be passive not just active and deliberate, and it’s a demonstration of the results of inconsistency with a generally orderly and well behaved dog.
Bad dog trainers are inconsistent, excited and tend to yell a lot
And all you do is …
And all you do is bash trainers who train with drive. i by no means said you were a bad trainer. I said that food training not the only way. your entire video is about bashing trainers.
I have no need to …
I have no need to defend myself. I’m published in total Rottweiler magazine and currently writing an article for K9 COP magazine. Dogs dont click dolphins do. Take care and good luck in your school.
@TherealAshman I …
@TherealAshman I don’t know if she’s really recommending it, but I’ve been doing something similar to build drive in my very non-drivey dog and to also get her over her insecurity at being run into. She now has much more drive, leaps for the toy and tugs with complete abandon. And she can be run into without shutting down. It’s worked WONDERS with my dog.
@urosca And you …
@urosca And you claim you’ve been training for 17 years? Seems you don’t understand dogs at all. I call shenanigans on this one!
@ClickerDogs I …
@ClickerDogs I repeat. I have never seen a professional or competition dog trainer do the things demonstrated beginning @ 1:21 I take issue with your opening claim that the demonstration @ 1:21 is a way to, or would build drive. Anyone that successfully trains dogs for AKC or USA competition uses science based training and those that would use the technique demonstrated would not be successful. Of courseI agree that it is bad training
@max2right even …
@max2right even though I have never even seen a schutzhund competition nor attended any seminar I have had the honour of having many elite level schutzhund competitors seek out my help –several of them have represented their country at world championship events (one has won the US Nationals).
Not everything in dog training is as tradition would have you believe. There is no strawman here– just science based training that has produce results across the highest levels of multiple dog sports.
I’ve trained with a …
I’ve trained with a schutzhund club for many years and attendes dozens of other clubs and seminars. We all work to create high drives in our dogs and I’ve never seen a trainer do the things this woman says happens. She sets up a strawman argument .
How do you get the …
How do you get the dog to want the toy?
how can i build my …
how can i build my dog drive i just love your video by you being a female you rock