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@huskymom01
Then …
@huskymom01
Then we agree to disagree. You are clicking whatever the dog happens to be doing when the timing is wrong.
Of-course you need another sound/word to end behavior when you work like this – but it allows much more precise conditioning.
@Trovatore75 and …
@Trovatore75 and you might want to read the rest of that page unless you have a first edition. It goes on to say that it was a practice used often with dolphins, but that there was a second conditioned reinforcer used to mean, You’re doing good, Keep on going. You can do that, but you need a different sound. Maybe a word such as Good. But the click ends the behavior. When we work with just one conditioned reinforcer(the clicker) it means only one thing. Good Job, You did what I wanted.
Karen Pryor did not …
Karen Pryor did not invent Operant Conditioning. It was around long before, but she is one of the leading experts in the field I agree. I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one though. For my dogs, Click ends the behavior and for a prolonged behavior such as going to his bed, I will withold the click for longer and longer periods until I can leave him on there indefinitely. It makes little sense to me to click right away and then expect him to stay longer and longer.
@huskymom01
Read ” …
@huskymom01
Read “Don’t shoot the dog” from Karen Pyor (basically the founder of the clicker method). Page17:”Another aspect of Steve’s communication with his dog was that Steve used the click as a reinforcer that was NOT a termination signal”
It is very important to understand this – otherwise the clicker becomes a very sloppy method with much room for misunderstandings in communication. You keep clicking the wrong moment and soon the dog has no idea what you want and gets frustrated!
@huskymom01
No. …
@huskymom01
No. That is not how my dog learned to work with a clicker. Click simply means that his behavior is correct. It doesn’t mean he can release himself from the command whenever he feels like it. Thats why there is a “ready” command. That is when the dog can get his reward. Clicking to late basically means, the dog gets reinforcement for whatever he randomly happens to be doing at that moment: a situation that leads to many misunderstandings and very sloppy working.
@Trovatore75 Once …
@Trovatore75 Once you click, the dog is free to stop and get his treat. You are correct in that the click marks the behavior so the dog knows what you want, but if you click as soon as he gets to the bed, most dogs will return for the treat. Let’s say you’re training a Go Out and you click when the dog gets to his mark. Is the dog then supposed to stay there until you go bring him a treat? or wait until you issue another command to come? No, he is free to come back and get his treat.
@PinkCupcake125
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@PinkCupcake125
Unless you simply teach the dog an “off” command. Then you can decide when he eats food of the floor and when he doesn’t. If you don’t teach the dog the “off” command – then he will invariably eat anything you drop on the floor ANYWAY whether he gets other treats on the floor or not. My dog will eat anything I drop: unless I tell her not to.
@huskymom01
Not …
@huskymom01
Not true. You can prolong the behavior by making the dog wait for the treat. You still have to let the dog know WHAT he is being rewarded for – and if your timing sucks: the dog has no way of knowing that. Once he has his “Click”, he knows what the reward is for: and will wait for it in that position until you give the order to release him from said position. That’s assuming the dog will be properly trained and learns to stay in positions unless you tell him to move.
@Cynthi63 He taught …
@Cynthi63 He taught an 11 week old pup to go to his bed in less than 7 minutes. How is that nothing?
@PinkCupcake125 …
@PinkCupcake125 That’s where a solid Leave It comes in handy. A dog doesn’t need to be taught to eat off the floor, it needs to be taught NOT to eat off the floor.
@Trovatore75 You …
@Trovatore75 You don’t click as soon as paws hit the mat unless you don’t ever want to prolong the behavior. I think for instructional purposes, his timing was great, though you could go slower and thus click faster with a puppy. The only thing I would change would be the tone of voice, but that’s my personal preference. I don’t want to have to squawk at my dogs to have them listen to me.
i think this is …
i think this is totally stupid….you are training the dog to do nothing!
Great lesson! I’ve …
Great lesson! I’ve heard of clicker training, but this is the first time I’ve seen it in action. Love it! I’m definitely going to try this. Thanks!
great training !! …
great training !! but eventually don’t give him the treat on the floor because that will teach him to eat food from the floor, so if u ever dropped food he will just go after it and its gone
Basically, the …
Basically, the theory is correct… Your timing is atrocious… The click comes WAY too late after the dog offers the right behavior. Plus, you constantly lean over (which is menacing) and you always give him the treat OFF the mat, which means that you are constantly actually luring him away from where you want him to be…
Great lesson! I am …
Great lesson! I am about to start clicker training for the first time on my 8wk old border collie. This was very helpful in showing how to stager rewards for advancing behavior requirements.